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Samantha Harvey Samantha Harvey (pictured) wins the Booker Prize for her novel Orbital. Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby announces his resignation as a result of the John Smyth abuse scandal in the Church of England. In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed in a vehicle-ramming attack. Alliance for Change, led by Navin Ramgoolam, wins the Mauritian general election. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Vardis Vardinogiannis Frank Auerbach Bruce Degen Roy Haynes Dorothy Allison Trevor Sorbie view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 18

Portal:Current events/2024 November 18
November 18, 2024 (2024-11-18) (Monday)

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2024 Senegalese parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The PASTEF party, led by Ousmane Sonko (pictured), claims victory in the 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (Post)
News source(s): France 24 Deutsch Welle
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, and needs to be updated, but when that is done this is ITN/R. More of a call to action for people to edit the article at the moment rather than a true submission to the board. Scuba 04:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

These sources are all dated from 18 November so this submission should be moved to tomorrow. Senegal uses UTC. Departure– (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Moved. Scuba 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

November 17

Portal:Current events/2024 November 17

November 17, 2024 (2024-11-17) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Pope Francis calls for the global community to investigate whether Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. (Al Jazeera) (Al-Arab) Siege of North Gaza At least 72 people are killed, a third of whom are children, in an Israeli strike against a residential building in Beit Lahia, in northern Gaza. (Al Jazeera) (AsiaOne) Russian invasion of Ukraine 17 November 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, Ukrainian energy crisis Russia launches its largest aerial attack on Ukraine in months. According to President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy, around 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched, damaging energy infrastructure across the country, killing at least seven people, and causing widespread damage. (CNN) (BBC News) Ten people are killed and 52 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on an apartment building in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) United States President Joe Biden lifts restrictions on the Ukrainian use of U.S. weapons for deep attacks inside Russia, with Ukrainian forces planning to use the weapons in long-distance attacks in the coming days. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli airstrike on the Lebanese Ba'ath Party headquarters in Ras el-Nabaa, Beirut, Lebanon, kills Hezbollah spokesman Mohammed Afif. (Barron's) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Sara makes landfall in Belize after causing flooding in Honduras. (AP) 2024 Pacific typhoon season Typhoon Man-yi makes landfall in the Philippines as a Category 4 super typhoon, three days after Typhoon Usagi struck the country and becoming the sixth consecutive storm to affect Luzon in the past month. (BBC News) Law and crime Two people are killed and nine others are injured in two shooting incidents near a parade route in New Orleans, Louisiana, United States. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election Citizens of Senegal vote for the 165 seats of the National Assembly after President Bassirou Diomaye Faye dissolved the parliament in September. (DW) Hundreds of people march in a protest against Russian President Vladimir Putin in Berlin, Germany, which was called by opposition leaders-in-exile Yulia Navalnaya, Vladimir Kara-Murza, and Ilya Yashin. (DW) Sports 111th Grey Cup In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts defeated the Winnipeg Blue Bombers 41–24 to claim their 19th Canadian Football League title. (TSN) Toronto Argonauts quarterback Nick Arbuckle is named the most valuable player and wide reciever Dejon Brissett is named the most valuable Canadian. (TSN) 2024 MotoGP World Championship In motorcycle racing, Prima Pramac Racing driver Jorge Martín wins the 2024 MotoGP World Championship, becoming the first independent driver to win the title in the MotoGP era. (Al Jazeera)

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2024 MotoGP World Championship

Article: 2024 MotoGP World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorcycle racing, Jorge Martín (pictured) wins the MotoGP World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Unnamelessness (talk) 14:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment is there a reason there are no infoboxes like in other sports season articles? Abcmaxx (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose needs an infobox. Scuba 21:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no such rule. HiLo48 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, none of the MotoGP championship articles have an infobox. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 00:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes but my question is why? Abcmaxx (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, well, that's a problem. Scuba 02:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article per MOS:INFOBOXUSE... there doesn't need to be one on any article, so its not a problem. Happily888 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a requirement, I'm just wondering why aren't there any, especially given they’re very useful on sports season articles. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

111th Grey Cup

Article: 111th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts (MVP Nick Arbuckle pictured) defeats the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to win the Grey Cup. (Post)
News source(s): TSN
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I know that this article needs a game summary for this like in other sports (i.e. NFL, NBA, AFL, etc.) Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I should note that the Grey Cup is ITNR so discussion should focus on quality instead of notability. Strong oppose on quality, much of the article is written in future tense and no details about the game itself are present. Departure– (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Changed to ITNR since the Grey Cup is in recurring item. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose there's absolutely no description or indeed any information at all on the game. It's all background trivia at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

November 16

Portal:Current events/2024 November 16

November 16, 2024 (2024-11-16) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan Seven paramilitary soldiers are killed and 18 are wounded by a Balochistan Liberation Army attack on a checkpoint in Kalat District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Reuters) Arts and culture Miss Universe 2024 Danish model Victoria Kjær Theilvig is crowned Miss Universe, becoming the first Dane to win the competition. (CNN) (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic California confirms its first case of Clade I mpox in a person who travelled to East Africa, becoming the first confirmed case of Clade I mpox in the United States. (Reuters) International relations APEC Peru 2024 At the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Peru, outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping for their final meeting before Biden leaves office on January 20th. During the meeting, Biden and Xi talk about topics like cyber crime, trade, Taiwan, and Russia. Xi also said that his team will work with the incoming Trump administration. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Wuxi stabbing attack Eight people are killed and 17 others are injured in a stabbing spree at the Wuxi Institute of Technology in Yixing, Jiangsu, China. The suspect, a 21-year-old student, is arrested. (CNN) (Reuters) A man barricades himself inside his father's restaurant in Issy-les-Moulineaux, France, taking restaurant employees as hostages. The hostages are later rescued and the man is arrested. (BFM TV) (The Jerusalem Post) Argentina orders the arrest of 61 Brazilian citizens currently living in Argentina who are accused of participating in the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Gabonese constitutional referendum Citizens of Gabon vote on a proposed new constitution, including replacing the current semi-presidential system with a presidential system following the 2023 coup. (DW)

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RD: Gerry Weil

Article: Gerry Weil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-born Venezuelan jazz musician. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Article is a stub, nothing about his personal life. Rynoip (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pat Koch Thaler

Article: Pat Koch Thaler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American educator, author, and activist. TJMSmith (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is sufficiently cited and in good quality. Rynoip (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Béla Károlyi

Article: Béla Károlyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Estreyeria (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian-American gymnastics coach of nine Olympic champions. Seems to be missing some citations. Estreyeria (talk) 02:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose article was looking good, until the 1999–2000 section, which is practically uncited. Scuba 03:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Olav Thon

Article: Olav Thon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTB
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Marius1603 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose: Short, could be lengthened by translating sourced material from the corresponding Norwegian article first, it has additional 14 citations at least. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  @ExclusiveEditor: How about now? Added an early life section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well sourced. For a 101 year old his bio could be longer, but this will suffice. Shanes (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks like a long enough article and well sourced. - Sebbog13 (talk) 03:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. Scuba 03:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud

Article: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC Somali) (VOA Somali) (The Eastleigh Voice)
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The former Somaliland president died on November 15, coverage of his death started on November 16. The overall article seems well-cited with reliable and primary citations needed for some awards. QalasQalas (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose overall article looks good at a glance, until you notice a bunch of paragraphs with no citation. Scuba 03:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

November 15

Portal:Current events/2024 November 15

November 15, 2024 (2024-11-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Allied Democratic Forces insurgency, Kivu conflict Thirteen people are killed, others are kidnapped and houses are burned by Allied Democratic Forces gunmen in Mabisu, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) Business and economy The Canadian Union of Postal Workers go on strike after failing to renegotiate their contract with Canada Post. (AP) The purchase of conspiracy theory website InfoWars to the satirical news content maker The Onion is put on hold by a Texas judge after lawyers representing InfoWars founder Alex Jones claimed to find irregularities in the auctioning process. The Onion say they plan to complete their purchase. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents At least ten people are killed in a fire at a retirement residence in Villafranca de Ebro, Zaragoza, Spain. (The Washington Post) Ten infants are killed and 16 others are injured in a fire inside a neonatal intensive care unit at the Jhansi Medical College hospital in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, North India. (AP) International relations Austria–Russia relations Austrian energy company OMV announces, that Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom will stop supplying natural gas to Austria, who receives their natural gas primarily from Russia, starting this weekend. (DW) Russian invasion of Ukraine, Germany–Russia relations German Chancellor Olaf Scholz holds a telephone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the war in Ukraine, their first contact since 2022. Putin tells Scholz that any negotiated settlement to end the war must recognize the territories that Russia has occupied as part of Russia and that Ukraine must abandon its aspiration to join NATO. (AP) (The New York Times) Law and crime 2024 Abkhazian protests Protestors storm the Parliament of Abkhazia in the capital Sukhumi in opposition to a proposed measure that would allow Russians to buy property in Abkhazia. Opposition leader Eshsou Kakalia claims that protestors now control the building. (Al Jazeera) Assassination of Malcolm X Three daughters of civil rights activist Malcolm X file a $100 million wrongful death lawsuit against the CIA, the FBI, and the New York Police Department for their alleged roles in the assassination of Malcolm X. (AP) Israel–Hamas war protests American ice cream company Ben & Jerry's sues their parent company Unilever in a federal court for allegedly censoring their statements supporting Gaza. (AP) (Business Insider) Politics and elections 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election Sri Lankan President Anura Kumara Dissanayake's National People's Power coalition wins a supermajority in the snap election for the 17th Parliament of Sri Lanka. (Reuters) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump President-elect of the United States Donald Trump names Karoline Leavitt as the White House Press Secretary for his second term in office, which will make her the youngest ever person to serve in the role at 27 years old. (AP) Kyrgyzstan President Sadyr Japarov opens the Zhany-Barak village in the Osh Region of Kyrgyzstan for resettled residents of the Barak exclave in Uzbekistan. (24.kg) Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenković dismisses health minister Vili Beroš on suspicions of corruption. (DW)

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RD: Jon Kenny

Article: Jon Kenny (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1],[2],[3]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish actor and comedian. Known for The Banshees of Inisherin among other things. Filmography (as usual) needs sourcing—being worked on now now sourced. SerialNumber54129 20:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support looks good, refreshing to see a fully cited filmography. Scuba 03:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Celeste Caeiro

Article: Celeste Caeiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Celeste dos Cravos, the woman who, giving her carnations to the soldiers, gave the name to the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal. Been working on the article and I think it is already in a good state to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the article is ready to be posted. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Scuba 04:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson. On the same card, Katie Taylor wins her second fight against Amanda Serrano. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson and Katie Taylor defeats Amanda Serrano.
News source(s): [[4]]
Credits:

• Nominated by BlondArkhangel (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant in not only boxing, but sports in general. Appealed to a diverse audience of traditional boxing icons and celebrity-driven boxing with over 100 million people tuned in to watch the event. Also the first Netflix live sports stream, which was met with widespread criticism. Additionally, significant in women's boxing was the undercard of this event which was Taylor vs. Serrano. BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Firstly, thanks for this contribution BlondArkhangel. We continue to look for newer contributors such as yourself. Regarding this nomination, I was thinking that it would have been a WP:SNOW close given the reasonably high bar on posting that this project has. However, I saw that we had posted Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor in 2017. So, I am not sure how this will go. Btw, I, a novice to this sport, saw the women's fight and it was quite something. Congrats to the winners irrespective of the posting decision. Ktin (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. I also am not really into boxing but found this event to be extremely exciting. As far as I can tell, this event had two important fights in the world of boxing, and I actually think the Taylor-Serrano fight was actually a more anticipated fight for the boxing community, whereas the main event fight was more of a meh but still fun idea that gained lots of popularity. The fight itself was so huge that Netflix crashed and buffered multiple times, likely from the millions of people trying to watch it at the same time. Did you experience buffering while you were watching it? BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose don't think we have posted any recent boxing results. And this one (Paul vs Tyson) is not significant enough, as it was not even a title bout, but just a publicity stunt. Natg 19 (talk) 06:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see how the frequency of posting boxing results should be a criteria for ITN. Mike Tyson, is a pop culture figure and among one of the most dominant and famous boxers in his era. This event was talked about by many in and outside of the sports world and narrated as a 58 year old man is coming out of retirement to beat an influencer in Jake Paul. In the sports world this event, even if it was a publicity stunt, has a lot of significant aspects to it that have attracted the likes of people who don't even box. However, I would argue it wasn't just a publicity stunt, Taylor and Serrano's rematch was extremely hyped in the boxing community and a well fought one at that. BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk was posted earlier this year, but that was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose, I'm more inclined to see this as entertainment news(which we try to avoid), rather than sport news. WP:ITNSPORTS doesn't say anything about boxing, but my understanding is that his was a relatively routine fight that is not worthy of ITN. –DMartin 07:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think this is notable, but not for the same reasons the blurb currently implies - hear me out. Never before has a fight been live-streamed simultaneously to so many: according to Rolling Stone, 120 million households tuned in. To put that in context, when we posted Floyd-Mayweather back in 2017, that was called "record-breaking" because it simulcasted to 50 million (source).The fact that Netflix streamed this, as opposed to PPV or a cable provider, is a huge story for the future of sport and television. Soon, the NFL and NHL will begin transitioning to broadcasting sports via streaming providers. This (and the major tech issues which surrounded such a large simulcast) will be looked back upon as a major transitional moment. Merits ITN, as the wider notability extends beyond the "publicity stunt" nature of the feature fight itself. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the support. Do you have any propositions on what the blurb could be altered to without being excessive? A lot of events happened in this singular event (Paul v. Tyson, Netflix crashing, Netflix streaming live sports, Taylor v. Serrano) BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  My netflix crashed 6 times lol Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Also, the Rolling Stone article has a paywall, is there any other source or way to access the article besides paying? BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Way too much WP:NOT#CRYSTAL here in trying to justify this as a major event. — Masem (t) 13:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  According to Netflix, 60 million households throughout the world watched the Tyson-Paul fight & 50 million households throughout the world watched the Taylor-Serrano fight Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Joke fight, joke outcome. Nothing of significance to the sport decided here. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  120 million people tuned in to this boxing match, how is that not significant? The Taylor-Serrano fight also took place under this fight, I wouldn't say that was a "joke" fight or outcome and it was probably the most entertaining of the matches. BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Why then does the page so woefully lack fight details? Hyperbolick (talk) 08:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just as if you do a car race at Taylor Swifts huge concert, it doesn't become official. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 Significant event. The 31-year gap makes this even more interesting. Even if it was a publicity stunt, it did its job, that is getting publicity in the form of the 120 million people who watched it live. This fight would be debated over for a long time to come. I also think that the blurb should cover the women's match too, as it was said to be a better fight than the Paul Tyson one. So I have added another altblurb TNM101 (chat) 08:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

If we do post this, I oppose blurbs which mention the women's fight. The significance of this event is the main fight which was Paul vs Tyson. There were 6 other fights on the fight card, so it is cherry picking to mention Serrano vs Taylor. Natg 19 (talk) 08:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Serrano vs. Taylor was the co-main event. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It is not significant, neither for sport nor for entertainment. Pure spectacle, nothing more. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Please elaborate on what exactly makes this match a "significant event in not only boxing, but sports in general", BlondArkhangel.

31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. BlondArkhangel (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose None of these were official title fights. --Masem (t) 13:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not limited to title fights if their media attention is exceptional. Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor was a boxing match that was featured in in the news and not a title fight, but had widespread publicity. Paul v. Tyson is statistically a more watched event than that and arguably just as popular. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment' correct me if I’m wrong be abuse I’m not into boxing but McGregor v Mayweather was more significant because they are both significant fighters with many titles, not an influencer v an old man 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Serrano vs. Taylor was a title fight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. This is a sideshow, not the top flight of the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support the news isn't so much the fight, but the attention and spectacle surrounding it. It's very much ITN, but I'd oppose the current blurbs. I also don't have any suggestions on what it should be, hence weak support. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As said by other above, we don't put boxing results in general, but also this was more of an entertainment piece, also this was not official title match, so could be very well rigged for entertainment, it would just serve as unnecessary advertisement for Netflix. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  The purpose of ITN is to reflect events that capture widespread public attention. This event has definitely garnered that title. If anything this would hurt Netflix, the amount of technical difficulties in the streaming of the event could show significance even beyond the fight and in other sports streamed by Netflix. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  The purpose of ITN is to show quality WP articles that happen to be in the news. It is NOT a news ticker. — Masem (t) 16:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance - not a world-changing sporting event, nor is it ITNR. Maybe if it wasn't the era of the internet, I'd consider supporting for that 100 million figure, but as far as I can tell that isn't much of a record. Strong oppose on quality as the article has next to no details about the fight itself. Departure– (talk) 16:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose we shouldn’t be giving the Paul brothers any more platforms than they’ve already bought. Also the article is in poor shape. Scuba 19:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You are a hypocrite for injecting your own opinion about these figures while criticizing my recent oppose vote for another nomination. Focus on the article quality, like you told me. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Taking a page out of your book, oppose votes don't have to be rational, you said so yourself. Scuba 03:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It may have significant coverage worldwide, but it doesn't have any lasting impact. It is a publicity stunt for both Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, which isn't usually posted on ITN. INeedSupport ^:3 23:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support While I think the event is a farce, in a sport" that shouldn't exist, there is absolutely no doubt that it's in the news. It's on the front page of Australia's ABC News. HiLo48 (talk) 23:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Mike Tyson returns, after all! BilboBeggins (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support In the news, getting lots of attention (much more than UFC 309) and the article seems serviceable. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• I oppose blurbing Paul vs. Tyson since that fight doesn’t seem like a significant fight. I theoretically support blurbing Serrano vs. Taylor since that was a widely watched title fight, but I currently oppose such a blurb due to quality issues. At the moment, there isn’t an article that has sufficient details about that fight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, as the main event was not a title bout. Much like Paul's previous matches, this just doesn't seem like it will be a significant, notable event in future years. Happily888 (talk) 10:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as it was just a show fight with no competitive significance. It'd have been a different story had Paul become a world champion as a result of his victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: For this type of conflict, it would seem that the death count is entirely too low to be worth mention. :) -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 13:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for the same reason we wouldn't post the Depp v. Heard trial, Kim Kardashian's sextape, or Lady Gaga's perfume brand launch. Given Netflix's reach 120 million isn’t all that much, consirering even taking into account Netflix-only productions, it wouldn't be in the most-watched programmes where there are 17 television shows with over 500 million views in their first 28 days alone and there are furthermore 23 films with over 100 million views in their first 28 days too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
  • It did receive 60 m simultaneous viewers, which beat out a record set by the 2023 Cricket World Cup (io terms of streaming services, not broadcast channels) -- however, correctly, simple viewership numbers are not a reason to post. — Masem (t) 14:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

    Yes but viewership figures are hard to measure in the first place and furthermore, Netflix gets an increasingly high viewership of anything. I'm sure something like a Taylor Swift concert live-streamed would absolutely break a record but at least that would have some cultural merit as a music event, having a retired boxer turned undefined celebrity and a youtuber with no specific field just feels like a WP:PROMOTION, and I don't think this event will age well or be particularly remembered in a few years time. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not being especially well-remembered right now. The BBC coverage is fairly harshly critical. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Ella Jenkins

Article: Ella Jenkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American "First Lady of Children's Folk Song"; died November 9, media coverage appears to start on November 11. Core article seems well-cited, with citations needed for some awards. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose chunks of the article aren’t cited. Scuba 19:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Elizabeth Nunez

Article: Elizabeth Nunez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. NYT published obit today while confirming death as 8 November. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support NYT obit a week after her death. Article in good shape. Grimes2 (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks in good shape Scuba 19:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Eileen Kramer

Article: Eileen Kramer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC Net
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Solid article. Grimes2 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Good article, meets ITN criteria. Happily888 (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  Support solid article. Please post soon. Bedivere (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  not looking for ITN criteria, which this doesn't meet, we're looking for RD criteria. Scuba 22:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN criteria is pretty much WP:ITNCRIT this, which is applicable to blurbs and RD and which it meets. Happily888 (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 22:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa

Article: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHK World
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some work is needed, but Yuriko, Princess Mikasa was one of the last royals of Japan born and from the Taisho era, married one of Emperor Showa's brothers, and was the oldest living royal in Japan following her husband's death. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Member of a royal family. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added this to the rule summary at the top of the page. It looks like these are good faith votes from people who are unaware of the above, and it comes up very often in comments, so added it for awareness. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. Shocking news for Japan. However, several sentences are missing the usual. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it was that much of a shock. Like Queen Elizabeth she was in advanced old age and her health was known to be in decline. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

She was 101, how shocking could it have been? RachelTensions (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Japanese people are feeling bad about this, that's what they seem to mean. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Of halting importance globally and not significant to the average reader Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  The average reader does not know who 99.99% of who RDs are. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  Please brush up on WP:ITNRD before adding your vote. Any individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died is eligable to be included in RD, as long as their artcles are Not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion, Updated, and of sufficient quality. Scuba 05:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  They are also eligible to receive votes in opposition. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

RDs are "eligible" for opposition, but oppose votes should be based on article quality. "Halting importance globally" is not a reason to oppose, as Scu ba has stated. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

They should, but they don't have to. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

yeah, but those votes have to make sense. Scuba 19:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment She was 101. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft oppose: the "children" section is largely uncited, but that seems like it would be an easy fix, and the information in it should be public record. Scuba 05:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Support problems with the article have been fixed. Scuba 21:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've fixed the children section, thanks to NHK last year when she turned 100 listing every child via photo. I've tried to improve tone issues and fixed a ref needed, turned out it was in the same source I used for her children.TheCorriynial (talk) 10:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've worked it down to one ref needed, that im not sure how to find a reference for, being a order award that is usually given to women in the royal family and rarely to other foreign female royals. TheCorriynial (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  Looking through wikimedia commons, it appears she received the award in 1941. Obviously commons shouldn't be cited, but its a start. I've tried the best I've can, maybe a Japanese wikipedia user could help?TheCorriynial (talk) 16:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Are there better refs for these awards in Japanese sources? Some of the current refs are blogs. Natg 19 (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready but close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem:, please don't do this, and tell us what is not ready so we can fix it even if you said that in general. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: The article is probably ready by now. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article was heavily edited after her death, and now if well cited and looks promising to make a good RD entry. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

November 14

Portal:Current events/2024 November 14

November 14, 2024 (2024-11-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes Fifteen rescue workers are killed during an Israeli airstrike on the Regional Civil Defense Centre's headquarters in Baalbek, Lebanon. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defence Ministry claims that Russian forces have captured the village of Voznesenka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Odesa strikes, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure One person is killed and ten others are injured in Russian airstrikes on an apartment building and energy facilities in Odesa, Ukraine. (Reuters) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Sixteen people are killed and 15 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes against residential buildings in Damascus, Syria, that Israel claims are associated with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The PIJ announces that a number of its militants are among the fatalities of the Damascus' attacks. (Al Mayadeen) (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Balochistan Seven people, including two soldiers, are killed in explosions in Harnai and Ziarat Districts, Balochistan, Pakistan. (TRT World) Haitian crisis Doctors Without Borders reports that at least two patients are dead after police officers and vigilantes attacked ambulances in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (Semafor) (CNN) Arts and culture It is announced that the Kingda Ka roller coaster, the world's tallest roller coaster, will be retired at the Six Flags Great Adventure amusement park in New Jersey, United States. (KYW-TV) Business and economy The Onion, an American media company known for its satirical news content, acquires InfoWars, with the intent of rebranding the site into a parody of itself. (The New York Times) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific typhoon season More than 24,000 people are evacuated as Typhoon Usagi makes landfall in Baggao, Cagayan, Philippines. (DW) Health and environment A study published in the medical journal The Lancet reports that the number of adults who have diabetes globally has increased from 200 million people in 1990 to around 800 million people in 2022. The study also reported that around 40% of adults with diabetes are not receiving treatment for the disease. (DW) (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election Sri Lankans vote in a snap election for the 225 members of the 17th Parliament of Sri Lanka. (Morning Star) (DW) Nauru launches an investment initiative which offers Nauruan citizenship in exchange for investment in climate change mitigation. (RNZ)

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RD: Thomas E. Kurtz

Article: Thomas E. Kurtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-developer of the BASIC programming language. Death reported 14 November. Thriley (talk) 06:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Has a complete uncited section, also needs more sources elsewhere. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The National People's Power led by Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the Sri Lankan parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Titanciwiki (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I think this article needs to have more information on the aftermath but following that it should be good to post Titanciwiki^talk/contrib 03:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support all the numbers are here, but the aftermath section is short. Scuba 04:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks fine. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 05:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. -- IDB.S (talk) 15:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Rm ready. "Results" section has no prose. Spencer^T•C 23:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

   Done ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Vice regent (talk · give credit)

 VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

This is a proposal to replace the ongoing item Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) with 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. There was consensus at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present)#Options that the scope of the former article should end at Sep 30, 2024 and events after Oct 1, 2024 should be covered in the latter article. Multiple weeks have passed and no one has objected. I think changing the ongoing will also redirect editors to add updates to the appropriate article.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sounds good to me, this probably should've been done with the invasion started. Scuba 00:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support There is consensus, and this will direct editors to the appropriate article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per @Scu ba Rynoip (talk) 08:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per the talk page consensus. The Israeli invasion article is more current, and should therefore be the one we use on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 09:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted, replaced, Stephen 23:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

November 13

Portal:Current events/2024 November 13

November 13, 2024 (2024-11-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Six Israeli soldiers from the Golani Brigade are killed in a three-hour gun battle with Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon. (Le Monde) Business and economy United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis British DIY retailer Homebase collapses into administration, threatening up to 2,000 jobs. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Indo-Pakistani smog New Delhi, India, reports its 15th consecutive day with a "very poor" recorded air quality index due to significant air pollution causing zero meter visibility smog. (The Hindu) 2024 Spanish floods Thousands of Spaniards living near river banks are evacuated following the issuing of AEMET's maximum weather alert in the Province of Málaga, Costa del Sol, and the Valencian Community caused by a new cold drop system. (The Independent) International relations Israel–Turkey relations Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announces that Turkey has suspended all diplomatic relations with and will not develop any further relations with Israel. However, the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, will continue to operate. Israel's foreign ministry denies any change in its diplomatic relationship with Turkey. (JNS) (Newsweek) (Middle East Eye) Law and crime 2024 Brasília attack Two explosions occurs near the Supreme Federal Court building and the Praça dos Três Poderes in Brasília, Brazil. The perpetrator dies by suicide bombing, being the only fatality. The Federal Police announces an investigation into the explosions, while the Attorney General's Office calls the situation "an attack against the Supreme Federal Court and the Chamber of Deputies". (G1) (CNN) Bulldozer Justice The Supreme Court of India rules that it is unconstitutional for the government to demolish property belonging to people suspected of crimes without a legal process, a practice common in states ruled by the Bharatiya Janata Party. (The Times of India) (DW) International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines, Philippine drug war The Philippines says it is bound help the International Criminal Court if the international court seek custody of former President Rodrigo Duterte through Interpol over alleged crimes against humanity committed during the Philippine drug war. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Second presidential transition of Donald Trump Outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden meets with President-elect Donald Trump in the White House and pledges a peaceful transition of power. (Reuters) 2024 Somaliland presidential election Citizens of Somaliland vote for the President between incumbent Muse Bihi Abdi of the Kulmiye party, House of Representatives speaker Abdirahman Mohamed Abdullahi of the Waddani party, and Faysal Ali Warabe of the Justice and Welfare Party. (VOA) (DW) Israel–Hamas war protests Crowds of pro-Palestinian protesters gather in Paris, France, against a gala raising funds for the Israel Defense Forces and included guests such as Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich. (France 24)

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RD: Theodore Olson

Article: Theodore Olson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready, some statements needs citations. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, given the article has been subsequently edited and inline citations have been added.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready BP needs more inline citations. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Roy Haynes

Article: Roy Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 37.159.35.155 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jazz drummer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Well written, comprehensive and well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Support Interesting person, but orange template in the section Discography. Grimes2 (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Discography section is probably large enough to be moved to it's own article? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Good idea, found this source for all recordings: https://www.jazzdisco.org/roy-haynes/catalog/ Is it reliable? Grimes2 (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Have raised at Talk:Roy Haynes. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Roy Haynes discography now created. All remaining entries are sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  4 more {cn} tags have now appeared, and look problematic. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like a potential blocker to posting. Unless someone has a better idea...? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  We could comment out the 4 cn, DownBeat Readers Poll isn't that important award. Grimes2 (talk) 14:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  Good idea. Now done. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  So any more objections? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Removed the last {{better sources needed}} tag. Mach61 18:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  So, any more to be done? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks ready to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 22:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Daim Zainuddin

Article: Daim Zainuddin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ThePrint
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Thegreatrebellion (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: . Malaysian politician and former Minister of Finance Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article in sufficient quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 04:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 22:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

November 12

Portal:Current events/2024 November 12

November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 40 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, including ten in a double tap strike on a designated humanitarian zone in the Al-Mawasi refugee camp in Rafah Governorate. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 14 people are killed and at least 15 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Ain Yaaqoub, Akkar Governorate, Northern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Ecuadorian security crisis November 2024 Guayaquil prison riot Seventeen people are killed and 15 more injured after a prison riot at the Litoral Penitentiary in Guayaquil, Ecuador. (AP) Haitian crisis The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issues a temporary 30-day ground on all U.S. airlines from flying to Haiti after gangs shot at a Spirit Airlines aircraft that was attempting to land at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, yesterday. The airport is also closed indefinitely in response to the shooting. (Miami Herald) (Scripps News) Red Sea crisis The Pentagon reports that several missiles and drones launched at the USS Spruance and the USS Stockdale by the Houthis are shot down. (BBC) Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab militants ambush and kill two South West State soldiers who were travelling on motorcycles on the highway between Wanlaweyn and Afgooye in Lower Shabelle, Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) Sudanese civil war The United States Department of the Treasury sanctions Rapid Support Forces general Abdel Rahman Jumma, alleging that Jumma is the "primary party" responsible for the violence against civilians and human rights abuses in West Darfur, Sudan. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture 2024 Booker Prize English novelist Samantha Harvey wins the Booker Prize for her novel Orbital. (BBC News) Spanish writer Álvaro Pombo wins the Miguel de Cervantes Prize. (El País) Disasters and accidents 2024 Indo-Pakistani smog The Pakistani Health Department reports that at least 1.8 million people in Punjab, Pakistan have become sick with respiratory and eye irritation ailments caused by chronic, record-breaking air pollution. (AP) Louisville factory explosion Two people are killed and 12 others are injured in an explosion at a food coloring factory in Louisville, Kentucky, United States. (KCRG-TV) (AP) Twenty-six people are killed when a bus carrying a wedding ceremony participants falls into the Indus River in Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan. (Anadolu Agency) (NBC News) Law and crime Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse A U.S. jury awards US$42 million to three former detainees of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, thereby holding Virginia-based military contractor CACI liable for their role in the torture and mistreatment of the detainees. (AP) Anglican Communion sexual abuse cases Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the symbolic head of the Anglican Communion, resigns over his handling of barrister John Smyth's sex abuse scandal. (NPR) (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Mauritian general election Opposition leader and Labour Party candidate Navin Ramgoolam is elected as Prime Minister of Mauritius, with his coalition Alliance du Changement winning 60 of the 66 National Assembly seats. Former Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth resigns following his party's defeat in the election. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Timothy West

Article: Timothy West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The prose seems well referenced but the same cannot be said of the filmography etc sections. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Updated and well referenced throughout. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Hopefully we now have a happy Thryduulf  :) SerialNumber54129 19:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The couple of sentences starting West was a supporter of the Talyllyn Railway are tagged as needing a citation but at a glance everything else looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready Getting close. Just a couple of CN tags. Very sad news. I remember him from the old BBC production of Edward VII. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Marked Ready Fixed the last few cites (including the Talyllyn!). Black Kite (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen: Fyi, Thryduulf opposed until around 200 citations had been added. I added them; it took about three hours. For the record. SerialNumber54129 23:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added and credited, thank you. Stephen 00:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ken Shorter

Article: Ken Shorter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs substantial expansion with only one source in the header and an entirely unsourced filmography. No information whatsoever regarding death other than month. Sampaioe (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) The Booker Prize

Article: Orbital (novel) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The novel Orbital by Samantha Harvey wins the Booker Prize. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, New York Times, BBC, Financial Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Golan1911 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit) and Create a template (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Prestigious literary award Golan1911 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support The article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN, but currently lacks a synopsis. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weakest oppose The article is just barely sufficient, but given this is an English writer, there has to be interviews with her discussing the work. (eg like [6]) There is definitely room for expansion that would be nice to see before posting. --Masem (t) 03:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until article is a little more fleshed-out out, but support on principle, per WP:ITN/R. –DMartin 03:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose neither the novel or event article meet WP:ITNQUALITY currently. Also the WP:ITNR page says that "Booker Prize" is ITNR, so does that not mean that the 2024 Booker Prize article should be the bold link? Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Having separate year articles for the booker prize seems really weird, because there's no major ceremony or anything. Sure, details of the shortlist and the like are important but I don't see why this can't be done on a list page, with any further details (such as "first X to win") being on the book/publication page. I do know in the past we have usually highlighted the book as the target. — Masem (t) 13:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Targetting the book article (Orbital) is fine, provided it has been updated with a referenced paragraph about the prize. The award is given to that specific piece of work, it's not part of a broader corpus or lifetime achievement. There's only one winner and not much more could be added to 2024 Booker Prize. What would *not* be OK is using Booker Prize or Samantha Harvey as the bold link. Modest Genius ^talk 14:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    • If we intend to target the book article every year, we should note that at WP:ITNR (as we do for many other ITNR items). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Booker Prize and the novel's articles were recently edited to improve quality Golan1911 (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support. The article is very light, but does just about meet our minimum requirements. I'd like to see some secondary sources for the plot summary per WP:PLOTCITE, but it's not a disaster without them. Modest Genius ^talk 14:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Early comments focussed on the poor article and this has since been significantly expanded, thus reaching a consensus to post. Schwede66 20:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Horgan

Article: John Horgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News
Credits:

• Nominated by Mellohi! (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian diplomat and politician, Premier of British Columbia from 2017 to 2022, ambassador to Germany from 2023 to 2024. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 19:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft oppose, several sections not sourced yet. Transformative figure within the context of contemporary BC politics, he will be missed.Ornithoptera (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support; article looks well-sourced. -insert valid name here- (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• The "Early life and career" section needs more sources. Schwede66 20:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Vardis Vardinogiannis

Article: Vardis Vardinogiannis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ABC News, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek business magnate. 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. Just a single sentence in the personal life section needs a source. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 20:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • There are now footnotes for the date and place of birth. --PFHLai (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Justin Welby resigns

Article: Justin Welby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up an abuse scandal in the Church of England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up the John Smyth abuse scandal.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Baldwin de Toeni (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

wait? I don't know the terms that may be being used, but I think we could wait until Welby's successor is named to post it. Being the most important ecclesiastical figure (after British monarch) of an important worldwide branch of Christianism, I do consider this change ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't need to wait. Welby's resignation is the story. Mjroots (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The reason for the resignation is important. In this case, I prefer to blurb the resignation, not the successor. Grimes2 (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

It will take weeks, if not months, to name a successor anyway. Agree that the story is the resignation itself. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Please don't associate the Anglican church with the Catholic church. Scuba 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

an important branch of Catholicism The Church of England is rather famously *not* a branch of Catholicism. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

that's what I'm saying. Scuba 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm replying to Alsoriano97. AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

totally right, I was talking about Christianity, not Catholicism. My bad. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

np, sorry for the confusion. Scuba 16:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article ok. Grimes2 (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft Oppose with only 26 million baptized, and of that only 5.5 million practicing members as of 2010, the Anglican church isn't a major world player in global religions. When the United Methodist Church with it's 5.9 million practicing members repealed bans on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage we didn't include that in ITN, so why would we include the Anglican leadership change? Scuba 16:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Strongly disagree. I think your numbers are for the Church of England specifically. The worldwide Anglican Communion has about 85 million practitioners, making it the third largest Christian denomination (communion) after the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy. The bishop of Canterbury is the closest thing to its pope or (even closer analogy) ecumenical patriarch. Also, this is a pretty rare change, he's been in the position for over a decade. We posted his appointment in 2012. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

And: The methodists are a separation from the Church of England. Grimes2 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Lutherans are a separation from the catholic church, but you wouldn't call them catholic. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I was unaware of his appointment in 2012, I wasn't editing at the time, but rules and norms change, especially in the decade + since then. Again, there are only 26 million baptized Anglicans, but sure, lets consider the Episcopalians whose entire church is a rejection of the CoE and the Archbishop and the Crown, and other groups like them, as Anglican for some reason to boost that up to 86 million.

There are ~1.3 billion Catholics of ~2.4 billion Christians. That means only 3.58% of Christians (and again that's with bloating their numbers considerably) are Anglican. That simply isn't a large enough congregation. We don't post leadership changes for Methodists, Baptists, or other protestant denominations. Why should we with Anglicans?

Also Archbishop of Canterbury isn't even the top of the Anglican church's leadership, the King is. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We in fact did post the leadership change for the largest branch of Mormonism in 2018, which "only" has 17 million adherents. For comparison, the median population of UN member states is around 9 million.

The British monarch is the head of the CoE, not (the rest of) the Anglican Communion. And the Episcopal Church in the US is definitely not a "rejection" of the CoE and the Archbishop of Canterbury — it's in full communion with the CoE and looks at the Archbishop of Canterbury as a figurehead, like the rest of the Anglican Communion does. Episcopalians do reject the Crown as an authority, but once again that only undermines your argument about the King being at the top of the hierarchy. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Mormons aren't Christian and haven't been recognized as such by any mainstream christian group.

The Episocpoalins where literally founded as a rejection of the oaths of loyalty to the crown and CoE, their governing body is the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. Scuba 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Whether Mormons are considered Christian or not is actually kinda irrelevant to the argument as far as ITN is concerned; they are a broadly comparable religious body and we posted their change in leadership. And as I said, Episcopalians reject the crown, but they have always been inspired by and in communion with the CoE. The Episcopal Church website talks about Justin Welby extensively. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh I agree, the Mormon president changing shouldn't be included in ITN.

Wrapping all vaguely Anglican churches together as being under the direct administration of the CoE is a backhanded way to bloat CoE numbers. Scuba 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Grimes2 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The news item is about the Archbishop of Canterbury ultimately. He is relevant to the Anglican Church as well as CoE. So including Anglican membership is relevant. The actual numbers of CoE specifically do not matter. La Ovo (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Anglicans are united under a single Church body, akin to Catholics with the Catholic Church. Baptists, and other Protestant denominations are scattered among a lot of different smaller churches and lack the central cohesion of Anglicans and Catholics. The Anglican Church is after all the national Church of England, for an entire country. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. The archbishop of Canterbury is the principal head of the Church of England and the leader of the worldwide Anglican church community. Notable religious figure and the circumstances of his resignation is newsworthy as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems good enough; there are two {{cn}}s but not about any important claims. I agree with others who say that this meets the significance threshold. He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. While the Anglican Communion is not as tightly knit in terms of dogma or organization as, say, the Catholic Church, Anglicanism is one of the main traditional branches of Protestantism and the Communion's 85 million adherents are nothing to scoff at. Welby played an important role in trying to keep the Communion from falling apart due to disagreements over LGBT matters and other issues. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Should "abuse scandal" in the hook be piped as abuse scandal so readers will know what's being referred to? Ericoides (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave that to the posting admin's discretion. We could possibly lose the initial "The" too. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:EASTER 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The resignation of a politically connected head of a major Christian denomination (and the unofficial head of the third-largest Christian tradition) is a big deal, especially considering that it demonstrates a continued role sexual abuse plays in disrupting upper hierarchies across Christian denominations. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I can't say I know this story inside-out, (or even at all) but covering up sexual abuse is a crime in the UK, so would be something we can't say definitely happened without a confession or conviction. Is this exactly what reliable sources are saying, that he was "covering up an abuse scandal"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  John Smyth (barrister) is the article with the details. Secretlondon (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support His resignation is significant for the reasons outlined above, and is being covered in various media as a major news item. In response to the comment above, "covering up" might not be the best phrase. Maybe something like: The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Please create an altblurb in the template. Grimes2 (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

"Cover up" is explicitly used in the BBC source used in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt Significant resignation of a major religious figure in a major religious denomination following a scandal would justify ITN inclusion. Alt blurb is moderately better worded than the original blurb. Article itself looks fine, though the few CN tags should be fixed ASAP. Sampaioe (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. I've phrased the blurb similar to the current BBC headline, "Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby resigns over Church abuse scandal", replacing "over" with "as a result of" because "over" might be misunderstood by non-native speakers as describing a physical position. Sandstein 20:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Great, just the paperwork to do now. Mjroots (talk) 06:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Remove (post-posting objection). I do not believe this should have been posted yet, as coverage from the BBC suggests that Welby has announced his resignation but is still in post: 'It was not immediately clear when the archbishop would leave his post but the process of finding a replacement is likely to take at least six months.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.D.Hope (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose pull - While Welby remains in office for now, he will not be remaining in office until a successor is appointed. It is customary for there to be a reasonably long vacancy in see in such circumstances. Welby has indicated that he will step down once he has fulfilled a number of outstanding duties, but the announcement itself is the story. (The appointment of his successor will probably hit the headlines, but it's a largely separate process.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb should be amended to something like '...has announced his intent to resign', in that case. The blurb as currently written implies he is no longer in office, when as far as I can tell he is still archbishop. A.D.Hope (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose pull Resignations which are 'effective immediately' are the exception and not the rule. Most high-profile resignations allow for some sort of grace period in order to ensure an orderly transition. If the argument is purely semantic as opposed to notability-related, then go and gather support at WP:Errors for changing "resigns" to "announces his resignation". Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've been told at 'Errors' to come here to resolve the issue, so which should I do? A.D.Hope (talk) 18:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• If the issue is that he has not officially resigned yet, we can change the blurb to "...announces his resignation". Natg 19 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm okay with changing the wording to "announces his resignation" if it makes people happier. I don't think it should be pulled. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Blurb altered to "announces his resignation". I don't think anything else needs to be done here. Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Zhuhai car attack

Article: 2024 Zhuhai car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A vehicle-ramming attack kills 35 people in Zhuhai, China (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed after a vehicle-ramming attack
News source(s): BBC News [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

35 people are a lot. I think the article should be expanded a bit. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Besides the article being far too short to be of quality, this appears to be due to a domestic issue rather than something terrorism-related (the driver was allegedly upset at a divorse ruling that went against him). This is the type of event that is likely not to have long-term enduring coverage and fails NOTNEWS. --Masem (t) 12:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Motivation is not relevant for a mass casualty event. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Lean support Article needs work, but once it reaches start class I'm in favor of a blurb. This is all over the news, much more so than the relatively unknown regional terrorist attack that is currently at the top of the fold. Domestic mass murders are still notable, especially in a country where fatalities are unlikely to reach more than a dozen. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Wait and support when article is good enough Arguably a more exceptional event than an attack by a longstanding terror group, which we posted (and should have, to be clear). Bremps... 14:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I'd argue that this is more significant than an attack by an existing group - those are almost to be expected at this point, and 35 people is an enormous amount for a vehicle attack. Minerman30 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance if article is not a stub. An unusual event attracting international coverage. Very high number of casualties for an incident of this type. AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle oppose on quality Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Topic is a mass casualty event in China. The article is a bit a awkward, and I've re-written some of it. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unless motive is revealed to be terrorism or similar. Tragic, but ultimately unlikely to have any far-reaching consequences. –DMartin 03:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motive does not matter when it comes to mass casualty events. Even then, the motive could fall similar to it. 35 people died from one person ramming them over, that's a pretty large consequence from one person. BlondArkhangel (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motive is very important, as there's a significant difference between a terrorism-related attack and something that is related to domestic violence. The latter is not likely going to have the long-tail of enduring coverage since there's little else to be said about it, whereas a terrorism-related attack will have a significant followup of seeking out the agency that carried it out and any possible enforcement actions. This is why we have NOTNEWS, not every story, even carried by many internaional papers, is necessarily a good encyclopedic topic. — Masem (t) 05:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

So if someone blew up a building killing thousands because his wife left him, you'd count that as domestic violence and not a major event? It's the single biggest mass casualty event in China since 2014. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

To add onto this, a reason why the article may not get significant enough coverage is because of the vast censorship by Chinese authorities. I think this article could spark enduring coverage about China's security and mental health of their people as well as the definite censorship that can be observed by people outside of China. BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motivation is important it will likely determine whether enduring coverage of the event will be there or not, which is the notability standard for news event articles. A terrorism event will draw far more govt response to prevent it, which establishes that tail of coverage, whereas something done by an upset person on a whim is unlikely going to move many needles. That may change in the future in this case but right now the question of the event's notability is in question since it's still working only off primary news source coverage — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Major event and shocking. High casualty amount. After a bit more work the article would be ready. Elios Peredhel (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support and want to note for the record, in case it is relevant for further nominations, that if a mentally ill person killed 35 people with their car in downtown New York City, we absolutely would not be seeing an opposition faction form because the issue is "too domestic". "Too domestic" strikes me as another way of saying "this is Chinese news, so it's not important enough for ITN". There is no basis in logic or ITN policy for that proposition. This needs to make the main page. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. I think general consensus is that this article ought to be posted ASAP. Those who didn't support the article originally were mostly because of the of substance in the article. However, there is significantly more information and the general opinion seems to be posting it.

If someone could do the steps in putting this article ITN that would be amazing BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that the main reason for opposition was the quality of the article, but it has been heavily re-written and expanded since then. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The expansion is in fluff, like media mentions and non-action reaction statements. This is a major problem of how news event articles are written today. It's great for Wikinews but not Wikipedia. — Masem (t) 20:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

If you have suggestions on how to improve the article then go to the talk page and make said suggestions. I myself try to trim "Reaction" sections, and merge them into other sections such as "Aftermath" or in the event itself. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to move it to Wikinews and only move it back if it is an event that shows enduring coverage. (this is also true for a good percentage of new news events articles, as editors are failing to follow NOTNEWS and NEVENT) Masem (t) 21:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The purpose of ITN is:

1. To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
2. To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
3. To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
4. To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.

This is likely being searched by people who have heard of the event as it has been broadcasted on multiple news outlets. Your suggestion on improvement is due to the lack of time passed that proves it has enduring coverage so I'd say the article itself is of decent quality. Some people could also be unaware of the incident and may find that 35 people being killed from apparent road rage would be a cruel, but interesting article to read about. BlondArkhangel (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

But WP is not a newspaper. Just because an event happens doesn't mean WP should cover it, as events that only get a burst of news coverage are not considered notable per WP:N and WP:NEVENT. Readers coming to WP to try to catch up on news from an encyclopedia are absolutely at the wrong place. Masem (t) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I think ITN is about exposing our readers to high quality information on international topics, a bit like you might hear in the headlines on BBC World Service. Secretlondon (talk) 15:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support major event. Mass casualties. Article of decent quality. Definitely fit for ITN. Zinderboff(talk) 05:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It’s a significant event (& the Chinese censorship makes it seem more notable) & the article’s quality is good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as there is clear consensus for doing so. Schwede66 18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Terrorism or not, this is significant. Should be good to go, thus. –Angga (formerly Angga1061) 20:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Song Jae-rim

Article: Song Jae-rim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Soompi
Credits:

• Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Royiswariii Talk! 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a lot of expansion and has quite a few unsourced roles. Estreyeria (talk) 14:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Most of the English language sources are going to be limited as they're obituaries that give summaries of his life, rather than details on his career. I expanded a bit with the CNN and Korea Times articles. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  You can use reliable sources from any language on English Wikipedia. There are webpage translators available there on google. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• At just over 1300 bytes of prose, that article is arguably still a stub. Schwede66 20:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

November 11

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November 11, 2024 (2024-11-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 30 people are killed in Israeli strikes across the Gaza Strip, including at least 20 in the Nuseirat refugee camp. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 44 people are killed and 88 more injured during Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Mykolaiv strikes, Zaporizhzhia strikes Five people are killed and 18 others, including five children, are injured in Russian air strikes on Mykolaiv and Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (DW) (Arab News) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods 2024 Spanish floods Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez announces an additional €3.76 billion (US$4 billion) aid package to the Valencian Community which was affected by deadly floods in October. (DW) A mud volcano erupts in Turbo, Colombia, forcing the preventative evacuation of 109 households. (El Espectador) International relations 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference The COP29 climate conference opens in Baku, Azerbaijan. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Zhuhai car attack Thirty-five people are killed and 43 more injured during a vehicle-ramming attack outside a stadium in Zhuhai, Guangdong, China. The perpetrator is in a coma after suffering serious injuries. (BBC News) Haitian crisis Several airlines suspend flights to Haiti after a flight attendant was injured when a Spirit Airlines aircraft was hit by gunfire while attempting to land at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, and was diverted to Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic. (BBC News) The International Criminal Court announces an investigation into prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan over accusations of sexual misconduct previously reported by The Guardian in October. (BBC News) (The Guardian) In Italy, the Carabinieri Art Squad seizes more than 2,100 forged artworks worth more than €200 million (US$215 million) that were intended to be sold at auction houses across Europe and also uncovers two art forgery workshops in Tuscany and Venice. (DW) One of the friars who was assaulted in a monastery in Gilet, Province of Valencia, Spain two days prior, dies after failing to recover from serious injuries. (RTVE) Politics and elections 2024 Japanese general election Shigeru Ishiba is sworn in as the 103rd prime minister of Japan following the first runoff vote in thirty years. (Kyodo News) (Mainichi) Haitian crisis Alix Didier Fils-Aimé is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Haiti, replacing Garry Conille, amid worsening security in the country. (Reuters) Māori protest movement Hundreds of Māori people begin a nine-day march from Cape Reinga to Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand, to protest the proposed Treaty Principles Bill which would redefine the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. (The Star) (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Frank Auerbach

Article: Frank Auerbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Ham II (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-born British painter. Ham II (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Removed orange template, ISBNs added. No cn left. Grimes2 (talk) 13:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Good work on page in last few days. Ceoil (talk) 14:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 20:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   Added Grimes2 (talk) 20:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Robinson

Article: John Robinson (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach, 2nd most wins in Los Angeles Rams history. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Needs a lot of sourcing work, especially for the Coaching career section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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