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On April 26 at 23:47 I replaced a sentence that cites sfn|Dirck|2009|p=382. The problem is that no book by Dirck is listed in the articles "Sources." Dirck published a book -- Lincoln the Lawyer -- in 2009, but it has far less than 382 pages, and searching for the quote at Google Books didn't help. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

sfn|Dirck|2009|p=382 =Dirck, Brian (September 2009). "Father Abraham: Lincoln's Relentless Struggle to End Slavery, and: Act of Justice: Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the Law of War, and: Lincoln and Freedom: Slavery, Emancipation, and the Thirteenth Amendment (review)". Civil War History. 55 (3): 382–385. doi:10.1353/cwh.0.0090. S2CID 143986160.Moxy🍁 00
51, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but my edit was reverted on the grounds that a book review is not an adequate source. Huh? Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews are sometimes tricky if it's a scholarly debate happening in real time. ..... Best would be to find a source that discusses the scholarly debate......as in Dirck says so and so and DiLorenzo says so and so. I assume you're referring to the quote? Full quote = "Few Civil War scholars take Bennett or DiLorenzo seriously, pointing to their narrow political agendas and faulty research. But their arguments do seem to have made inroads into the general public. While Lincoln's good standing among most Americans as a defender of racial equality and freedom remains intact, it would be fair to suggest that, in some quarters at least, his reputation on that score is ambivalent - more so perhaps than at any time since his death" Moxy🍁 01:13, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thomas J. DiLorenzo’s book The Real Lincoln presents a revisionist critique, arguing that Lincoln was less the Great Emancipator and more the evil architect of a centralized, powerful national government. DiLorenzo contends that Lincoln’s primary motivation for waging the Civil War was not the abolition of slavery, but the old Hamiltonian-Whig scheme consolidation of federal power and the advancement of a high-tariff economic agenda rooted in mercantilism and Clay's American System. There are a couple of favorable reviews in libertarian magazines. There are no favorable reviews I have seen in any scholarly journal--instead there is very strong attacks on bad research. Multiple scholars cite DiLorenzo’s false "facts", gross misuse of sources, and bad documentation. These sloppy undergraduate errors undermine the book’s credibility. Examples include misdating events to the wrong year, misattributing quotations to the wrong person, and inventing conclusions not supported by the cited sources. DiLorenzo repeatedly distorts Lincoln’s words and actions, sometimes attributing to Lincoln views he explicitly rejected. He omits crucial context that would challenge his thesis. His favorite gambit is to attribute to Lincoln the words of others whom Lincoln actually criticized. DiLorenzo is simply unaware of the broader political and moral world in which Lincoln operated. Right wing historians are split. Thomas L. Krannawitter in the pro-Trump conservative Claremont Review of Books (spring 2002) rejects DiLorenzo and puts it bluntly: "But if DiLorenzo’s message is old hat, the incompetence of the messenger is surely unprecedented. The book is a compendium of misquotations, out-of-context quotations, and wrongly attributed quotations—one howler after another, yet none of it funny....With malice towards all and charity towards none of Lincoln's principles and actions, The Real Lincoln is the latest attempt to finish the job so ignobly begun by John Wilkes Booth in April 1865." Rjensen (talk) 20:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Someone created a script error in the Emancipation Proclamation section. I have not been able to figure out when it was introduced, by who, or how to fix it. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is with the imagemap and was introduced by @Paper Luigi: here. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the Lincoln link; it looks ok now. ErnestKrause (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]